Welcome back, listeners. I am your host, Ian Celibate and this is Pills and Perspectives where we discuss the distant and strange consciousness and day-to-day motions of their ideological position. Today I am joined by my colleague and failed situationship, Thomas Waters.
My name is Tomas.
Absolutely, Tomas. We’re all, in a way, ’emo cucked.’ We lament our failures to connect in such an isolated society, to the point where we vicariously experience intimacy through spectacular images and online personas. It’s a sad state of affairs.
So, while the incel community remains a contentious topic, perhaps the discussion around ‘gaycels’ serves as a mirror reflecting our own struggles with isolation and emotional disconnection. Whether genuine or fetishized, emotional intimacy remains a complex, often elusive goal.
But don’t you think that’s overly simplistic, Tomas? You’re implying that the problem is just about finding the right emotional connection, as if it’s a switch you can just flip. For many, especially those in the incel community, the issue runs much deeper—it’s about systemic exclusion and societal rejection. It’s not as simple as just ‘finding someone who wants more than a casual hookup’.
Oh, come on, Ian. You make it sound like they’re powerless victims of circumstance. Everyone faces rejection and isolation at some point. The difference is, most people don’t spiral into a toxic ideology that blames everyone else for their problems. There’s a point where personal responsibility comes into play.
It’s easy to preach personal responsibility when you’ve never faced that level of systemic rejection. We’re talking about people who are repeatedly told, explicitly or implicitly, that they are undesirable, unworthy of love or even basic respect. It’s a vicious cycle of self-fulfilling prophecies. You can’t just pull yourself out of that with a pep talk on ‘personal responsibility.’
But that’s exactly my point, Ian. By fixating on their perceived victimhood, they’re only reinforcing the barriers they face. Yes, society can be harsh, but wallowing in self-pity and anger doesn’t help. It just alienates them further. At some point, they have to take steps to improve their situation, even if it’s just baby steps.
And what about the societal structures that perpetuate their isolation? It’s not just a matter of individual action. We live in a culture that prizes superficial qualities and disposable interactions. Until we address these deeper issues, telling incels or gaycels to ‘just do better’ is like telling someone to swim harder in a riptide.
You’re right that societal change is needed, but it doesn’t absolve individuals from taking action. If everyone waits for society to change, nothing will ever happen. It’s a two-way street. They need to engage with the world, flawed as it is, and the world needs to become more inclusive. Both sides need to move towards each other.
And yet, without a supportive framework, those efforts can feel futile. Imagine trying to engage with a world that constantly rejects you. It’s demoralizing, and many give up because they see no other option. It’s not just about effort; it’s about hope and support.
Fair point, Ian. So maybe the real challenge lies in finding that balance—empowering individuals while pushing for broader societal changes. It’s a tough road, but it’s the only way forward.
You know, Tomas, it’s interesting to hear you talk about balance and taking action. Remember when we were together, and you kept putting off our anniversary plans to pursue ‘personal growth’ activities? I think you missed the balance back then too.
*laughs awkwardly* Well, Ian, that was… a different time. We both had our priorities. Anyway, the key point here is that individual action and societal change are both crucial.
True, but it’s hard to separate the personal from the societal when it comes to relationships. Like how your constant need for ‘personal space’ felt more like you pushing me away. It’s all connected.
Yeah, Ian, relationships are complicated, but let’s steer back into the topic—how we can better support these marginalized communities.
Actually, I think our relationship is quite relevant. It’s a microcosm of the larger issues we’re discussing. Just like individuals and society, relationships require both personal effort and mutual understanding. Maybe if we had balanced that better, we wouldn’t have ended things so abruptly.
. . . what?
Exactly. So perhaps the lesson here is that whether we’re talking about incels, gaycels, or even our own past, it’s not an important as it is to be compassionate and empathetic to the real victims of this emo-cuckholdry.
And who would that be exactly? The people who suffer from an epidemic of loneliness or people who huff copium by binge watching The Golden Girls
*smirks* Ah, yes. Because binge watching The Golden Girls is clearly the root of our issues. At least Dorothy, Blanche, Rose, and Sophia know how to stick together. Maybe we could learn something from them.
Wow, tell me how you really feel.
Maybe after the show which is now. Thank you for listening to this episode of Pills and Perspectives. I am your host Ian Celibate with my hypergamist ex and guest, Tommy Watty, reminding you to refill your prescription for black pills today.
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